To Guiity / Fo

CorDawg · Post by **CorDawg** » 08-05-2004 01:48

to bad only like 5 people play d in vo (im one of em

)

Imaginos · Post by **Imaginos** » 08-05-2004 03:35

Inphidel wrote: imagnos, you ever think of trying to implement into ut2vote the ability to make maps change mods. like everytime someone votes for smallcube its a vote for vo mode.. and lowcube is a vote for reg also. thus creating it so if everyone votes for lowcube in vo mode, they don't all hafta vote for vo first, and then vote for the map which can be a pain, and lets face it. us americans enjoy easy access like drive through. this is ideal.

anyone with me on that?

Actually, the ability has always been there. It's done through the maplist though. I prefer to allow voting off the live list vs a static one, even though the maplist would replicate faster. The whole freedom of choice thing.. But is this what you have in mind?

Code: Select all

[Deathball.DB_MapList]
MapNum=0
Maps=DB-BigLowCube?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-Blister?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-BlueRidge?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-Bowl?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-Cube?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-DeathVolley?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-Fnull-GeeBall-v1_1?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-Hole?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-LeftCorners?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-LegoFan?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-LowCube2?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-MountainKeep?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-November?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-RightCorners?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-SmallCube?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-SmallEnclosure?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-SmallHole?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-Temple][?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-Tribun?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=db-hellbox?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=db-hellhole?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-SpaceBalls][?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-NightStorm?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-Hex?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True
Maps=DB-Dendrophile?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-BigFootball?bOnlyVolleyGoals=False
Maps=DB-SunCast?bOnlyVolleyGoals=True

In the above DB_maplist example, you can easily set player options as well.. For example, on a per-map basis, you can also set ?maxplayers=6?maxspectators=6, or whatever is deemed appropriate..

In UT2Vote there's also the option to disallow selection of a small map if there's too many people in the game - or the reverse for large ones with too few players.

Code: Select all

[UT2Vote41.UT2VoteMapInfo]
CheckMap=(MapName="DB-SmallCube",MinPlayers=1,MaxPlayers=6)
CheckMap=(MapName="DB-BigLowCube",MinPlayers=12,MaxPlayers=32)

In this example, SC is unavailable for play if there's more than 6 players in the server, and BLC isn't selectable w/o a minimum of 12. I haven't been implementing this feature on the live servers, only because I didn't think it's necessary. The server reverts to a normal map when empty, so a large unpopular one won't sit in play discouraging people from joining..

Edit: BTW, I gotta agree with Twigstir, VO people are not reg players that are just not playing reg.. I wish I had a way to entice them to play reg instead, but that's not what they want to do. Forcing the reg maps just clears them from the server - we've all seen that happen in the past.

Oh, and Cor.. Me and Max are usually found defending too.

Guitar_God · Post by **Guitar_God** » 08-05-2004 03:53

Imag... good information... I'll try to implement that as soon as possible... I think it'll help the gameplay on the server dramatically!

Twigstir · Post by **Twigstir** » 08-05-2004 04:14

Imaginos, Setting VO via the map list isn't a bad way to go.

You could create seperate map lists for VO and regular. This allows some maps to be played both ways if put in both lists. As the community is now, that's not much of an issue. VO only play SC sized maps

If the day comes where they play slightly bigger maps VO, then some maps will work well for both shooting and VO.

Also consider a low number of players playing regular might prefer a small map. A few small maps in the regular deathball map list might be benificial.

Anyhow, breaking a large map list up into two lists (VO/regular) might be easier for players to weed through.

P.S. I prefer VO. However, I also enjoy regular. I currently only play VO. Why, I almost never see anyone playing regular in the NA. The day I see people playing Curve again in the NA will be a happy day for me.

InSaNe` · Post by **InSaNe`** » 08-05-2004 07:09

Think about the maps that you stated Twig, November: Eats fps (at least mine) and is small but not large. IceDemon: WORST.MAP.EVAR This map eats more fps than all the maps put together (even on lowest, the ice doesn't help either). ClearNight: This was a good map but did anyone know it was a large map? Also was a cherry picking place, mountains and such. Plus let's not forget that re-direct didn't work on your server. MidNight: Good map, I actually like it

. ToonBall: Give me a break, we played a pug in that map and it was a joke, the goals were messed up, and the map was a huge download.

Sure, we have servers, we should play in them. Honestly, I think I speak for the original ballers; the mod has lost its appeal. I used to have fun trying to teach n00bs how to keep back in 1.4b, and now since everyone's in a VO server, you can't teach 'em anything. It's just senseless hammer spam.

"Bullcrap, you'll just have more empty regular servers." Where would all the people from the VO servers go? They would find a server, more people would come, and it would become a regular game. Volley all you want I can care less, but just don't call out "LAME" or "BAN" when I shoot.

I'm not gonna say anything about the "real" DB being VO, don't even know where to begin; I think you meant that sarcastically o_O

Like Cor said, there are only 3/10 players that actually play defense. The rest are just cherry picking; one person can make a difference but in a small map, you don't really have a chance against 4 guys even if you had 2 defenders.

GreyFox · Post by **GreyFox** » 08-05-2004 07:34

Twigstir wrote: My previous comment applies perfectly. All the trash talk about volley only lacks any intelligents what so ever and is pure lies. It's sad to see so many talk completely out of their anus.

I suspect that all the trash talk is from people who don't have the skills to keep up with volley only. They spam lies to cover their own weakness and make them feel better. There is no reason to trash something because you personally can't handle it.

Some people like long ball, some volley only, some both, some 5 -vs- 5, some smaller numbers. It's all good. Play what you like. No one form of deathball is any better or worse than the other.

Servers exist to play what you like. Enough players may be a problem but not the servers. It's pure stupidity to think you can force others to play your style by abolishing their style of play. A full volley only server minus volley only will not result in a full shooting deathball server by default.

As for new players, some will enjoy and stay for volley only, some for long ball.

idd

Inphidel · Post by **Inphidel** » 08-05-2004 13:14

imagnos - yeah pretty much say the map list had

smallcube
blueridge
smallenclosure
lowcube
cube
midnight

on it, any of the top 3 on that list if it won it would auto change to vo mode before loading the map
and the bottom 3 to reg mode. maybe even state a message at the start of the round to each play

VOLLY ONLY

NO RERESTRICTION.

just an idea. i think it might help. currently i see people being to lazy now and then on bud or f0 server to even vote VO mode back on after playing a breif reg match, and when noobs join they shoot. and people get stupid at em'

Imaginos · Post by **Imaginos** » 08-05-2004 19:14

When you hit F2 or Scroll-lock on the BuD servers, you see the server name. It will tell you right away what the basic rules are. Reg/Vo/Gib.. etc..

I'm just not comfortable with letting the map be the determining factor in how the game is to be played, and I certainly don't want to encourage laziness. If the majority don't vote up the VO mode with the shooting protection, whose fault is it when someone shoots?
When the server empties, it reverts back to reg as a default in 3mins.

I do wish that people rated all maps on the server. Some of them really have to go, but they need a fair eval by a decent # of players first..

CorDawg · Post by **CorDawg** » 08-05-2004 19:56

i like it fine as vo mode off, cause we played vo just fine in it all morning, only saw one non vo goal was a pass back to the keeper who missed.

Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 09-05-2004 00:11

CorDawg wrote: to bad only like 5 people play d in vo (im one of em )

Yeah I usually am too dropping back into the defense... but anyway, you claim people play VO too often and whatever, isn't that the point of voting on the server? If people want it and the majority there want to play SmallCube again, fine! Who cares? That's why it's called voting. If you wanna play reg, then vote for it... if it wins, great, if not then well majority rules. That's the whole point of voting. And I really like Imaginos' idea for setting the mode based on the map cause playing reg on SmallCube or playing VO on LowCube2 isn't a bright idea. And if the coding allows it maybe also have a VO/Reg logo next to each map telling what type it is. But if the people wanna play VO, let them play VO. End of story.

MaStEr · Post by **MaStEr** » 09-05-2004 15:38

Esorcismo wrote: Yeah I usually am too dropping back into the defense... but anyway, you claim people play VO too often and whatever, isn't that the point of voting on the server? If people want it and the majority there want to play SmallCube again, fine! Who cares? That's why it's called voting. If you wanna play reg, then vote for it... if it wins, great, if not then well majority rules. That's the whole point of voting. If the people wanna play VO, let them play VO. End of story.

I totally agree.

Guitar_God · Post by **Guitar_God** » 09-05-2004 19:36

WEll Imag isn't too keen on the idea of setting the game mode by the map that is selected...

Realistically I'm getting to the point where i agree with him... what if peeps wanted to play reg on sc when they only have 3v3.

I think we may have to look into another way of doing this...

I think what would be ideal... is if you could select game mode and the map at the same time when voting... instead of having to go through 2 voting sequences as it is now.... (having to vote for gamemode... then if it passes, vote for a map...) sometimes voting on the gametype will put up a random map... which i don't care for....

but really... if you can select both the gametype and map you want at the same time and vote that way... i think this could be best. IMAGINOS>>> tell me what you think on this one plz.

Inphidel · Post by **Inphidel** » 09-05-2004 19:43

yeah that would be pretty awesome i think

Map-----------------------REG-VO-GB
SmallCube...................[X]...[ ]...[ ] [VOTE]
Cube...........................[X]...[ ]...[ ] [VOTE]
Curve..........................[X]...[ ]...[ ] [VOTE]
Legofan .....................[X]...[ ]...[ ] [VOTE]

or somthign tot hat effect

reg vo gb
[ ] [ ] [ ] Mapname

clicking on the game type makes the vote

Imaginos · Post by **Imaginos** » 09-05-2004 20:51

The way UT2Vote works, you have the option to vote up a gametype. For ex: VO Deathball. If the vote passes, then, and only then does the gametype's maplist get looked at. This is to save the replication to all clients until it is actually needed as well as to prevent having partial game parameters in memory at any given time which can lead to a game/map incompatability issue.

Now, knowing how that works, I don't see a way to meet both the suggestions of having a near dedicated server vs keeping an open, more versatile pub - which I think is more valuable to Deathball given the current trend of server attrition. I don't really think it's asking too much of the players to pick the game first, but I can make a test gametype to see how it would work. It will be nothing more than a seperate votable game that will use the maplist incorporating game settings. I really don't see it as a viable substitute for a dedicated VO or Reg server though.

CorDawg · Post by **CorDawg** » 09-05-2004 20:56

we've played vo smallcube without vo mode on forever until 1.9b, theres no reason to need vo mode on still, i dont see how people playing 1.9b cant figure out if your playing vo or not. as fr noobs, if they dont try to learn then vote kick them if they score normal shot.