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I think ive find something regarding keeper's protection in the goal area...
http://www.ussoccer.com/referees/conten ... ageid=6673
"Purpose of the Goal Area
Question: The significance of the Penalty Area with respect to the goalkeeper, direct free kick fouls, and ball-in-play is generally well understood. However, the significance of the Goal Area is less well understood. Would you please explain the special significance of the Goal Area and how that may affect play?
Answer: The goal area is used to define the location for the taking of goal kicks. It also serves as a location for restarts for free kicks awarded to the defending team inside its own goal area, which may be taken from any point in the goal area. The line parallel to the goal line and defining the goal area (the "six-yard line") is used as the location for indirect free kicks to the attacking team for infringements occurring inside the goal area or for dropped balls for stoppages inside the goal area after temporary stoppages. In both the latter cases the restart is taken from the point on the line nearest to where the ball was located when play was stopped.
Prior to the Law changes of 1997, the goal area was also used to define a region in which the goalkeeper could be charged fairly while holding the ball, but now referees must observe carefully any charge against the goalkeeper, regardless of the circumstances, location of the action, or presence of the ball, and penalize the action only if it is committed carelessly, recklessly, or with excessive force (direct free kick) or is performed in a dangerous manner (indirect free kick)."
some might say, that was not carelessly, recklessly, nor was it done with excessive force or was it dangerous by any means, a matter of opinion i guess. im still looking deeper into the case
btw, that is said by the US Referee Program Office though, im still looking for UEFA's opinion on this, or if its actually a IFAB's rule or sumthing :s
EDIT: Ok, so what i understand from my researches, is that in the 97 Laws of the game this "carelessly, recklessly, blah blah" text appeared on the rules, but not specifically applying to keepers in goal area, refs thou were advised by the federations (which received the advise from Fifa, prolly) that comunicated the changes to them to take special care of charges against the keeper in goal area. in the last "Laws of the game" document this reckless blah blah stuff was replaced by a different text, but the advise still applys. ^^ im not sure about this, its just me speculating.
This prolly sounds like a lot of BS to u lol.
This question seems to be really complex than what i thought at the beginning and its hard for me to prove, i think i'll quit. The english can keep the moaning, and i'll remain sad for feeling the english are depreciating our victory
http://www.ussoccer.com/referees/conten ... ageid=6673
"Purpose of the Goal Area
Question: The significance of the Penalty Area with respect to the goalkeeper, direct free kick fouls, and ball-in-play is generally well understood. However, the significance of the Goal Area is less well understood. Would you please explain the special significance of the Goal Area and how that may affect play?
Answer: The goal area is used to define the location for the taking of goal kicks. It also serves as a location for restarts for free kicks awarded to the defending team inside its own goal area, which may be taken from any point in the goal area. The line parallel to the goal line and defining the goal area (the "six-yard line") is used as the location for indirect free kicks to the attacking team for infringements occurring inside the goal area or for dropped balls for stoppages inside the goal area after temporary stoppages. In both the latter cases the restart is taken from the point on the line nearest to where the ball was located when play was stopped.
Prior to the Law changes of 1997, the goal area was also used to define a region in which the goalkeeper could be charged fairly while holding the ball, but now referees must observe carefully any charge against the goalkeeper, regardless of the circumstances, location of the action, or presence of the ball, and penalize the action only if it is committed carelessly, recklessly, or with excessive force (direct free kick) or is performed in a dangerous manner (indirect free kick)."
some might say, that was not carelessly, recklessly, nor was it done with excessive force or was it dangerous by any means, a matter of opinion i guess. im still looking deeper into the case
btw, that is said by the US Referee Program Office though, im still looking for UEFA's opinion on this, or if its actually a IFAB's rule or sumthing :s
EDIT: Ok, so what i understand from my researches, is that in the 97 Laws of the game this "carelessly, recklessly, blah blah" text appeared on the rules, but not specifically applying to keepers in goal area, refs thou were advised by the federations (which received the advise from Fifa, prolly) that comunicated the changes to them to take special care of charges against the keeper in goal area. in the last "Laws of the game" document this reckless blah blah stuff was replaced by a different text, but the advise still applys. ^^ im not sure about this, its just me speculating.
This prolly sounds like a lot of BS to u lol.
This question seems to be really complex than what i thought at the beginning and its hard for me to prove, i think i'll quit. The english can keep the moaning, and i'll remain sad for feeling the english are depreciating our victory
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I'm a goalie and I had no idea the six yard box was to protect the keeper.
I'm with Gaz, the play-acting in this tournament has been pathetic. It's one thing to dive to the ground (which I loathe), but then to roll around as if you've been shot is disgusting. FIFA should clamp down on it. The Spain vs Greece match was appalling due to the play acting. It made the game unwatchable. And yesterday Koller of the Czech Republic was fouled but threw himself to the ground and rolled 3 or 4 times as well. It was embarrasing to see a grown man act like that.
I don't see many English players feigning injury, but sadly the diving culture is increasingly becoming part of the English game - Scholes particularly is a sinner.
Regardless of whether Ricardo was fouled by Terry, there is one thing I am sure of: Terry did not use enough force to make Ricardo fall to the ground. The keeper dived to make the challenge look more than it was. Whether it was a foul or not, Ricardo should have stayed on his feet - I am sure David James would have. I simply have no respect for people who will use such lame efforts to win in sport. Are they men, or pussies?
Football should become a contact sport again. And those who fall over all the time after the slightest touch should be heavily fined and banned for a number of games. It sets a bad example to the youngsters. I bet off the field it'd take an effort to throw them to the floor.
I'm with Gaz, the play-acting in this tournament has been pathetic. It's one thing to dive to the ground (which I loathe), but then to roll around as if you've been shot is disgusting. FIFA should clamp down on it. The Spain vs Greece match was appalling due to the play acting. It made the game unwatchable. And yesterday Koller of the Czech Republic was fouled but threw himself to the ground and rolled 3 or 4 times as well. It was embarrasing to see a grown man act like that.
I don't see many English players feigning injury, but sadly the diving culture is increasingly becoming part of the English game - Scholes particularly is a sinner.
Regardless of whether Ricardo was fouled by Terry, there is one thing I am sure of: Terry did not use enough force to make Ricardo fall to the ground. The keeper dived to make the challenge look more than it was. Whether it was a foul or not, Ricardo should have stayed on his feet - I am sure David James would have. I simply have no respect for people who will use such lame efforts to win in sport. Are they men, or pussies?
Football should become a contact sport again. And those who fall over all the time after the slightest touch should be heavily fined and banned for a number of games. It sets a bad example to the youngsters. I bet off the field it'd take an effort to throw them to the floor.
But if Andrade endangered himself by throwing himsef over the top of Vassell, how is that Vassells fault. Surely he also endanged Vasell and therefore was at fault.Cenotaph wrote: ...EDIT: okay, u might not agree that Vassel commited a fault (no problem with that at all), but im sure u'll agree that going over sum1's body and falling like Andrade did can endanger him. sry for yet another edit
Oh I get it, Vasell committed a foul by not lifting Andrade through like a ballerina in swan lake?
It isnt, thats why.Originally posted by Onge
I'm a goalie and I had no idea the six yard box was to protect the keeper.
Yea, that was awful. Video evidence should be used to ban the diving cunt for life!yesterday Koller of the Czech Republic was fouled but threw himself to the ground and rolled 3 or 4 times as well. It was embarrasing to see a grown man act like that.
Absolutley, again taking advantage of europpean soft mentalitysThe keeper dived to make the challenge look more than it was.
CeeBeeUK wrote: But if Andrade endangered himself by throwing himsef over the top of Vassell, how is that Vassells fault. Surely he also endanged Vasell and therefore was at fault.
thats exactly my point, how can vassell be the culprit when Andrade chose to jump over the top of vassell, now fair enough if vas had lifted up and tipped him over that would be fair, but it is NOT against the rules to stand your ground.
But thats wat Europeans dont understand.
And thats why football is doomed.
Football has been my life for 26 years, and in the space of 2 weeks, and 1 particular game, my passion for it has all but been extinguished.
Every time i watch a game now i end up shouting at the telly every time a dirty fucking ponce falls over or tricks the ref into a freekick.
Oh and the commentators are just as bad
"oh he knew wat he was doing there, that was clever work to get the freekick" wtf? thats fucking cheating u dirty bastards.
rugby players must be watching this tournament pissing themselves at most of the players involved, bunch of fucking girls.
do any of you even bother to read what i've said?
that goal area protection of the keeper is more than just european soft mentality, i mentioned it as soon as the game ended, many ppl also mentioned, then few days after Urs Meier (International referee since 1994, and one of the most prestigiated ref in the world) mentions it, so it certainly exists something. As i mentined its not really a football rule, but i think its more of a guideline given to referees, which probably doesnt apply in England, as Meier also said and i said it after :p
Okay this "guideline" might have been created due to soft mentality, but the referee did his job, he did like he is told to do. And no, he wasnt told to take England out of the tourney
that goal area protection of the keeper is more than just european soft mentality, i mentioned it as soon as the game ended, many ppl also mentioned, then few days after Urs Meier (International referee since 1994, and one of the most prestigiated ref in the world) mentions it, so it certainly exists something. As i mentined its not really a football rule, but i think its more of a guideline given to referees, which probably doesnt apply in England, as Meier also said and i said it after :p
Okay this "guideline" might have been created due to soft mentality, but the referee did his job, he did like he is told to do. And no, he wasnt told to take England out of the tourney