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Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 25-08-2004 19:11

No actually I don't, but get this back on topic please... I'm still waiting for that solid encompassing argument against self-volleys and I'm yet to see it...

R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 19:21

What you are failing to grasp is that nobody is against self volleys here. But if you want to consider them as an alternative to a reg shot, then they should require as much skill to pull off successfully. Currently its too easy. And thats why its detrimental to team play. Why is that so hard to understand?

Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 25-08-2004 19:26

I'm not failing to grasp anything, I'm failing to believe that your points are valid... it's not "too easy", it's not "detrimental", it never was... cause right now self-volleys are not an alternative as they are completely ineffective... why is THAT so hard to understand?

Maybe I should go back to being keeper this way people will be asking to make my job easier... and I won't even play the self-volley cause it's useless now...

R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 19:28

they are completely ineffective

why? because the keeper can save them?

awww diddumms poor you needs to use some skill again.... awwww

Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 25-08-2004 19:30

Because the keeper would have to totally suck to not save them... and it's not an issue of skill, it's an issue of what makes the game interesting and that's options... conversing with you is a waste of time... anyone else wanna jump in with something intuitive and potentially valid?

R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 19:31

and why would they want to converse with you exactly? :p

Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 25-08-2004 19:34

Cause I put out valid points with evidence to back them up... that's why!

R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 19:39

I guess it's all a matter of opinion. There's the right one, and then there's yours.

Of course you're entitled to it. Even if its nonsense.

Note: just because you can't grasp a valid point, doesn't make them invalid.

hmmm, spot the ego.

Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 25-08-2004 19:40

If there's a valid opinion that differs from mine I'm glad to hear it... but nothing you've put up is that... maybe someone else will, let's see shall we?

R3L!K · Post by **R3L!K** » 25-08-2004 19:49

I could say the same for you.

Let's break it down shall we.

I think:

in 2.0, the self-volley goal gave an unfair advantage to the attacker and this promoted selfish play. Changes in 2.1 corrected this.

You think:

The changes in 2.1 have made self-volleys goals useless.

You disagree with me and I disagree with you. That's pretty much it.

Oh I forgot the unnecessary flame to make my point.... you're a retard blah blah blah

Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 25-08-2004 19:52

Ok, let's take this rationally then...

My BACKED opinion is that the self-volley DIDN'T give an unfair advantage to the attacker and by that principle didn't promote selfish play... I've been giving my backing all along, what I'm really looking for is something I absolutely CAN'T rebuddle against...

Weisso · Post by **Weisso** » 25-08-2004 19:54

You are like every liberal in the US, you fail to accept the fact that other people have opinions that may differ from you, whether right or wrong. To you, his opinion may not be backed, but that's because you are biased against him. To him, your opinion may not be backed because he is biased against you. You need to stop the half baked flame war and get over yourself.

-Weiss

Esorcismo · Post by **Esorcismo** » 25-08-2004 20:03

Oh well... thank god NHL 2005 is coming out shortly, I can get a game with some action! But for now, Bombing Run and looking for something good that strikes my fancy, a shame to see a fun mod go down the crapper... peace out guys

l0afz · Post by **l0afz** » 25-08-2004 20:10

Seeya in 2 weeks

Twigstir · Post by **Twigstir** » 25-08-2004 20:58

R3L!K wrote: That rule won't stop all egos of course.

I'm not claiming it will.

And your point is a fair one. But to extend your logic one step further. If a self-volley is just like any other shot option then it should be brought in line with the other shot options.

Both the pass shot and the regular shot have inherent risks which makes using them against a decent keeper quite a skillfull process.

In my opinion, the self-volley used to be the easier scoring option because it was faster than a regular shot, jukes the keeper and leaves the attacker less vulnerable to any defence. This is why it was whored and this is why I believe it was necessary to reduce its effectiveness - at least in the Regular game.

I don't agree with it but, it's the best argument yet. Of course, based on your statements the self volley rule should be changed to remove the "+6" or reverse it.