I've been wanting to ask this question for years now...

Messy · Post by **Messy** » 30-03-2006 18:57

...and I've never been able to actually put my question into words, let alone do a search for it on google.

If you will, please watch this short film on video.google.com. I'm sorry for the bad compression (it's on ebaumsworld.com too but this is less of a hassle I guessedited: see bottom of post):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 50&pl=true

The video in itself is pretty entertaining imo, but that's not what this is about.

I've been wanting to know what piece the last 7 notes are from for years, and possibly who composed it.
Even knowing what notes they are will satisfy me for now.

It's a tune that pretty much everyone knows, but no-one I've asked knows where it comes from /o\
In the video he just attaches it to the piece he 'plays' before it (Rondo Alla Turca by Beethoven

), the last note of that being the starting note of this tune.

I hope someone here will be able to help me $\o/$

edit: For people in countries video.google.com does not support, or on set-ups where it crashes:
The eBaum's World alternative.

Sixty · Post by **Sixty** » 30-03-2006 20:06

edit: no idea, sorry

BunnyS · Post by **BunnyS** » 30-03-2006 22:05

It sounds like "shave and a haircut"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_and_a_Haircut

Rincewind SW · Post by **Rincewind SW** » 30-03-2006 22:09

The very last notes he plays? After the whole thing? I am assuming so since I don't know the name of that last song and am not familiar with the piece you named.

I don't know the song it's from. I'm assuming it was used to end a show or something, because that is the only place I've ever heard it... I think it's just F C C D C E F after less than a minute on a keyboard.

By the way, I love the Minuet (don't recall the composer); he played it 2nd, and I recently played the piece in a string quartet (violin o/). Also the Vivaldi is one of the best pieces of classical/romantic music ever.

The guy is a genius <3

Messy · Post by **Messy** » 30-03-2006 22:23

Ah..I was hoping for some notpr0nners!

Thanks so so much Bunny <3 you're the --err..woman

I have literally been searching for this for years

and nobody could give me the answer.

Also, Rincewind:

Yeah I love his take on Vivaldi <3

Also, if you love Vivaldi and violin..you might like Children of Bodom

..or maybe not ;p nobody believes me when I say their lead guitarist has played the viola since the age of 5 (you can hear it very much in his guitar playing), and that their music is largely based on Vivaldi.

Most people are scared off by the vocals and can't even bring themselves to appreciate the awesome compositions (I feel I'm allowed to use this word

).

Anyway, this made my day ^_^ off to sleep now..nn <3

BunnyS · Post by **BunnyS** » 30-03-2006 22:30

No worries

nn

fro · Post by **fro** » 30-03-2006 23:03

iv always wanted to know how cranes are built

Messy · Post by **Messy** » 30-03-2006 23:08

Oh someone help froste out ;p

Anyway; through some quick googling, I found out the tune is from a Clave rhythm, which stem from West-African music and were developed in Cuba. Basically almost all Afro-Cuban music is based on clave rhythms (think son, rumba, salsa), and it later went on to influence styles such as Rock and Roll and different types of Jazz) $\o/$

This specific tune is based on the son clave (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... _clave.png), that indeed got well-known in western culture with "Shave and a haircut (two bits)" as it's lyrics.

It turned from a rhythm to a tune when it was assigned notes (usually C G G Ab G |restB Crest) in Charles Hale's 'At a Darktown Cakewalk' in 1899.

Lyrics were first assigned to it in 1914 by Jimmie Monaco and Joe McCarthy, though they were "Bum-Diddle-De-Um-Bum, That’s It!" back then.

The tune was later used by Dan Shapiro, Lester Lee and Milton Berle in 1939 in the song “Shave and a Haircut - Shampoo”.

It eventually (somehow) turned into a children's song, but I couldn't find out how exactly..you know how children are ;p

“Shave and a hair cut, two dimes
That’s how the barber gets rich
Shave and a hair cut, no more
That’s how the barber gets poor
Sung by the Girl S0couts quartet
Almost dead, but not yet
Thanks for the doughnut — Good Bye!”

Inflation eventually turned 'two dimes' into 'two bits' I guess ;p A bit was the name for 1/8th of a Spanish peso. When the peso was still worth exactly as much as the dollar two bits would mean 25 cents of a dollar..hence the inflation

Apparently, it's also used in morse code by radio hams, at the end of a conversation one of them sends a TU ("- ..-") for Thank You, and the other answers with two dots (". .") which resembles the 'Shave and a haircut' rhythm.

Also, in Mexico it's turned into an insult.
Whistling the tune or tapping it's rhythm (though historically I should say that the other way around ;p) will get people very upset there, because they associate it with the lyrics "chinga a tu puta madre" (which doesn't fit imo :s) meaning "go fuck your whore of a mother". $\o/$

....I'm the happiest man of the world (..or this forum) today :p
(Yes, this was all I could find about it right now that's interesting -.- sources are scattered over the internet.

BunnyS · Post by **BunnyS** » 30-03-2006 23:19

I first found out about it because it was in part of a song from Stephen Sondheim and Leonard Bernstein, in West Side Story! Which I did study at some point ^^
I also remember it from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit "

As for the cranes ..... pass, I have no idea !

Post by **DavidM** » 31-03-2006 11:24

You sometimes find it in combination with another "end jingle", like this:

F C C D C E F
C C C G A F

if you dunno what i mean, by chance i have the 2nd one in my last song...before the long end chord...played by the guitar