Bullet the reason i said that shit is because i am a little sick of everyone complaining that DB is dieing. Maybe it is but why go out like that? I'd rather do something to help it live.
Basically the energy in NA DB is very negative if all we do is complain about the state of things. Negative energy just breeds more negative energy so i'd rather just not see it. It's not helping any. If anyone feels negative towards the mod thats fine but please keep it to themselves so that you don't affect others. That's all i was asking.
NA Deathball....
Moderators: Jay2k1, DavidM, The_One
Sorry Orbital but your wrong. The energy in NA is negative because theres nothing to be positive about. We have no open public servers that arnt clan servers, and the clans that do have open servers have to pay for them. Do you pay for a server? Do you want to play on your server that costs a good chunk of money to play a game that crashes the server, uses a LOT more bandwidth than other games, and do this all in a dying community?
Not only is DB unstable but it always has been and its been a bitch to EVERY server admin. Ask any single one of them if they've been frustrated with it. Not only this but it has gotten progressivly more apparent with every version... What does David M say? "Its Epic's fault." You want to see negativity look at David M and tell him to do something about it instead of defending him.
Wonder why a lot of people use "GG David M" binds? He hasnt done ANYTHING for our community. EVER. The only reason this community took off in the first place is because of people like Wasabi, GIB, KR, Fooman, 13th, Night, and even Zanboo... Without them DB wouldnt even exist in NA and if it did it would be limited ot european servers.
Not only is DB unstable but it always has been and its been a bitch to EVERY server admin. Ask any single one of them if they've been frustrated with it. Not only this but it has gotten progressivly more apparent with every version... What does David M say? "Its Epic's fault." You want to see negativity look at David M and tell him to do something about it instead of defending him.
Wonder why a lot of people use "GG David M" binds? He hasnt done ANYTHING for our community. EVER. The only reason this community took off in the first place is because of people like Wasabi, GIB, KR, Fooman, 13th, Night, and even Zanboo... Without them DB wouldnt even exist in NA and if it did it would be limited ot european servers.
Surge if you can't find anything to be positive about you're a sad individual. IMO it's not DavidM's responsibility to provide us with servers. He's given us the game, it's got it's flaws but it's a pretty sweet game that most of us have been playing for months now. OH DAMN our life sucks! Because we are used to being given everything in life, lets go complain about the creator's of the game even though they did it for free and it costs us nothing to play. Sound good?
And btw i do pay for a server, although it's a private server because it's a lot cheaper and i'm the only one paying for it. It still helps out our team a lot. There are still public servers that NA people can play on but they're just not full, so i really don't think that servers is the issue.
You mentioned all these people in the past that have helped the community grow, wouldn't it be nice to have more of them around? You know, people with positive attitudes that want the community to grow? That is what we need.. not ppl whining and complaing about every little thing that they think is wrong with DB and the community, i just don't see how that helps anything.
And btw i do pay for a server, although it's a private server because it's a lot cheaper and i'm the only one paying for it. It still helps out our team a lot. There are still public servers that NA people can play on but they're just not full, so i really don't think that servers is the issue.
You mentioned all these people in the past that have helped the community grow, wouldn't it be nice to have more of them around? You know, people with positive attitudes that want the community to grow? That is what we need.. not ppl whining and complaing about every little thing that they think is wrong with DB and the community, i just don't see how that helps anything.
servers are a minor issue, an issue yes, because there aren't many, but an issue no, because nobody plays on them
I just counted right now, from the all seeing eye, there are:
7 NA servers (that show)
8 british servers
6 French servers
5 german servers
1 Italian Server
and 1 (i think) norweigan server (im not good with flags
It's obvious that nobody see's how DB is dying here, because the euros have such a large community, it overshadows the NA ones.
Here is a nice screenie of the Massive deathball server list (as of 12:35am pacific time)
I just counted right now, from the all seeing eye, there are:
7 NA servers (that show)
8 british servers
6 French servers
5 german servers
1 Italian Server
and 1 (i think) norweigan server (im not good with flags
It's obvious that nobody see's how DB is dying here, because the euros have such a large community, it overshadows the NA ones.
Here is a nice screenie of the Massive deathball server list (as of 12:35am pacific time)
see all those gameservers.net servers Orbital?
they belong to either David M or Panda, donated for free to the euro community.
You said:
Now whats the prize for the MSU contest again? Last time i checked its something David M has done nothing with except purchase a domain name that costs what? $15 a year.
As a creator it is his responsibility to create a community. Look at games like Starcraft and Diablo II. Blizzard Entertainment owns battle.net for the purpose of getting people to play their games. David M put up a league site for the same effect and what good has it done? theres what? 7 competative NA teams left.
If your going to act like an ass at least put your money where your mouth is. This all comes down to David M profitting of other peoples work and thats exactly what hes done. DM gets votes on the MSU polls from DB players for NA that participate in a community he did absolutly nothing to deserve. All hes done for us is not listen and watched us o down with the boat. I don't like to be used. Maybe you do.
they belong to either David M or Panda, donated for free to the euro community.
You said:
so i ask you, what good is the game if theres no where to play it. Coding doesnt cost money. Mapping doesnt cost money. Donated free servers dont cost money.IMO it's not DavidM's responsibility to provide us with servers. He's given us the game
Now whats the prize for the MSU contest again? Last time i checked its something David M has done nothing with except purchase a domain name that costs what? $15 a year.
As a creator it is his responsibility to create a community. Look at games like Starcraft and Diablo II. Blizzard Entertainment owns battle.net for the purpose of getting people to play their games. David M put up a league site for the same effect and what good has it done? theres what? 7 competative NA teams left.
If your going to act like an ass at least put your money where your mouth is. This all comes down to David M profitting of other peoples work and thats exactly what hes done. DM gets votes on the MSU polls from DB players for NA that participate in a community he did absolutly nothing to deserve. All hes done for us is not listen and watched us o down with the boat. I don't like to be used. Maybe you do.
DiStUrbeD wrote: 7 NA servers (that show)
8 british servers
6 French servers
5 german servers
1 Italian Server
And don't forget those 234234 GameServers.net servers, those are Dutch
Surge wrote: Last time i checked its something David M has done nothing with except purchase a domain name that costs what? a year.
It's free, donated by GameServers.net, just like http://www.Deathball-Tennis.com and http://www.DodgeBall-Mod.com
Surge, he doesn't have to spend shit. If you want a server, i suggest you do some research into how much it costs, and then pay for it your goddamn self.
Creating a game, keeping it up to date, and not discouraging creators of custom content should be all that is required of him.
And anyway, until the current servers are full, you don't really need any more, no?
Creating a game, keeping it up to date, and not discouraging creators of custom content should be all that is required of him.
And anyway, until the current servers are full, you don't really need any more, no?
Steve Polge said "community volume" and "growth rate" will be taken into consideration. If a lot of people play a mod it will be taken over a mod that may be better but has less initial community. Its harder to build one then to suck off of one.
Also, the point is he never started, assisted, or did virtually ANYTHING for the NA community even though 90% (no matter how crappy) of the custom maps came out of our community. The NA community was bigger at one time than the european community and David M resented it because we'd always clean his clock at his own game.
I'm not begging for servers, lets get that straight. If i was begging for servers I wouldnt be asking David M and it wouldnt be for Deathball. Thats for damn sure.
Creating a game? You mean 2 maps that consist of nothing more that WAY too much lighting and static meshs other people made for him and bossing people around is creating a game? Shit, i can do that. Theres a lot more to creating a mod than that. Community imput is a great selling point, but whens the last time any kind of community imput actually made it into DB?
"not discouraging creators of custom content"...? you have read the map forums right?
If anything DM is holding back DB... Recognition is one thing, cash prizes is a different thing completely and it is one thing David M doesnt deserve.
Also, the point is he never started, assisted, or did virtually ANYTHING for the NA community even though 90% (no matter how crappy) of the custom maps came out of our community. The NA community was bigger at one time than the european community and David M resented it because we'd always clean his clock at his own game.
I'm not begging for servers, lets get that straight. If i was begging for servers I wouldnt be asking David M and it wouldnt be for Deathball. Thats for damn sure.
Creating a game? You mean 2 maps that consist of nothing more that WAY too much lighting and static meshs other people made for him and bossing people around is creating a game? Shit, i can do that. Theres a lot more to creating a mod than that. Community imput is a great selling point, but whens the last time any kind of community imput actually made it into DB?
"not discouraging creators of custom content"...? you have read the map forums right?
If anything DM is holding back DB... Recognition is one thing, cash prizes is a different thing completely and it is one thing David M doesnt deserve.
DiStUrbeD wrote: servers are a minor issue, an issue yes, because there aren't many, but an issue no, because nobody plays on them
I just counted right now, from the all seeing eye, there are:
7 NA servers (that show)
8 british servers
6 French servers
5 german servers
1 Italian Server
and 1 (i think) norweigan server (im not good with flags
It's obvious that nobody see's how DB is dying here, because the euros have such a large community, it overshadows the NA ones.
Here is a nice screenie of the Massive deathball server list (as of 12:35am pacific time)
Rofl, french
I think you mean dutch
Tbh the NA side of things look pretty bleak atm. But being Euro I only see our side of things, mainly because of the timezones etc.
If NA want help from creators or maybe other DB community members imo the worst thing u can do is bitch about everything. I dont see many NA players, but it seems the ones that I do are well hated. <-- this doesnt help ur cause, ditch em.
Another thing which Euro has an advantage on compared with NA imo, is that Euros use Quakenet which is generally where all the mod/coders/mappers are.
From what I have seen as an player/on looker is that TV has given NA a mod its really up to the community to make it work, and as regard to DM getting servers in NA. ?? why when these sort of threads exist. <-- looking at this its all one way traffic
On a final note, for those who dont like the game, why play it?? life's to short to do stuff u dont like, just play/do something else instead.
If NA want help from creators or maybe other DB community members imo the worst thing u can do is bitch about everything. I dont see many NA players, but it seems the ones that I do are well hated. <-- this doesnt help ur cause, ditch em.
Another thing which Euro has an advantage on compared with NA imo, is that Euros use Quakenet which is generally where all the mod/coders/mappers are.
From what I have seen as an player/on looker is that TV has given NA a mod its really up to the community to make it work, and as regard to DM getting servers in NA. ?? why when these sort of threads exist. <-- looking at this its all one way traffic
On a final note, for those who dont like the game, why play it?? life's to short to do stuff u dont like, just play/do something else instead.
Surge wrote: Theres a lot more to creating a mod than that. Community imput is a great selling point, but whens the last time any kind of community imput actually made it into DB?
Sprint, curve were all originally community ideas or backed by the community.
Surge wrote: "not discouraging creators of custom content"...? you have read the map forums right?
Hey I never said he was doing it. I just said it was one of the three things i expect from him. Supplying servers and building a community are not. Encouraging a community is something i would require but not to be instrumental in building it.
YoYo your too optimistic. You being from AU might understant our plight more than you think. You had a post about how you with the long shots would be turned on for the AU server you play on. Thats what our community started out as. Now dont you wish the person thats providing you the game would have a server on which you could easily ask for setting changes opposed to hunting down server admins?
I'm very familliar to the AU situation. The only reason our community stayed alive for so long is because of a few individuals that are no longer around. Be you one of them for AU, or be you not, you will eventually relate to our problems whether you want to beileve it or not.
I'm very familliar to the AU situation. The only reason our community stayed alive for so long is because of a few individuals that are no longer around. Be you one of them for AU, or be you not, you will eventually relate to our problems whether you want to beileve it or not.
um we do have full control over the server, its just that too many of the ppl who play on it wanted sprint on, so it stayed in. (it was sprint, not long shots rofl)
our community is growing without any help at all from davidm (except the game). So what I am suggesting is that you may be overestimating the role of DavidM in your comunitt's downfall.
our community is growing without any help at all from davidm (except the game). So what I am suggesting is that you may be overestimating the role of DavidM in your comunitt's downfall.
according to the bible the world was created by god. People praised god when times were good, and accepted god when times were bad.
According to you, DB was created by David M. People love David M when DB is fun and good, people know hes still controlling is when times are bad.
Humans have a weird tendency of blaming others for their own problems. God is a scapegoat, much like David M. The only difference is that David M isnt a fictitious anomaly and he actually can get his shit together and do something about whats hes started. His world that is DB.
Last time i checked, "God" always let man mold the world how he wants it. David M changes things in his favor.
If you think its a bad example or completely blown out of perportion (which it is) then you are probably beginning to see my point. This is his game, either he does something with it, or its open source.
According to you, DB was created by David M. People love David M when DB is fun and good, people know hes still controlling is when times are bad.
Humans have a weird tendency of blaming others for their own problems. God is a scapegoat, much like David M. The only difference is that David M isnt a fictitious anomaly and he actually can get his shit together and do something about whats hes started. His world that is DB.
Last time i checked, "God" always let man mold the world how he wants it. David M changes things in his favor.
If you think its a bad example or completely blown out of perportion (which it is) then you are probably beginning to see my point. This is his game, either he does something with it, or its open source.