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english people always have to find another reason for their loss (poor ref, shitty penalty spot) they cant face that Portugal might actually have owned them

actually, it was the referee's fault.
with another referee, we would have won it.

eh................your blaming the ref?

lol.

if the situations were reversed and England were given a dodgy and ultimately matching winning decision in their favour, I for one would acknowledge we were lucky.

I guess thats just me though. Most people seem happy just to gloat and claimed Portugal 'owned' England.

ok

gj portugal injuring Shrek, i dont like him, he is fat ( Er ist sehr dick )

He's green too.

traitor

austin, u english fucking judas cunt , trying to be against england to be fuckin different, cant except the fucking truth.

ur calling him fat, u aint looked in the mirror

eh................your blaming the ref?

thats a shit why to get a fucking fish m8...

It's called "trying to get a reaction"

*fishes*

RaGe|DB wrote:

now let me explain what the rules are about
You know the little zone within the 16 meter zone, its made for protection of the keep, he is like boss there, got 200 % advantage.

please please please find me the ruling where it says that.


You wont, simple as that, you know why? because there is no rule to protect keepers, the only thing protecting keepers is european mentality over the last 20 years, where the slightest touch = freekick.

The 18 yard box is an area in which the keeper can use his hands, the 6 yard box is there soley for 1 purpose ..... Goalkicks

The day that was a foul on the keeper is the day football died imo, that is the softest piece of shit i have ever seen given.

Ive spoke to ceno about this, and i gotta say how dismayed i am at european morals. He actually believes it was a foul as do a lot of other "europeans" and that is a shocking thought at the mentality of european football, the slightest touch and its a freekick, i mean come on, the diving and playacting in euro 2004 has been downright shameful, it makes me sick to my very core.

R3L!K wrote: :

fyi, vassell was constantly fouled by the portugese defense. One defender even flew OVER his head. Yet that was ruled as a foul BY Vassell.

that was the funniest thing i ever seen, vassel stood there port defender jumps over him loses balance and gets freekick. Again , wat a load of shit, i guess vassell blocked the defender by standing still, whne of course he should of moved out of his way and let him get a free header. Unfortunatly vassel couldnt see the defender because he was facing the other way.

GG fucked up rules.

Oh another thing that made me chuckle, a day or so ago, Arse meier came out and said somthing along the lines of "the rules in england are different from the rules in euro 2004"

im pretty sure everyone in the world followes the same rules as set by fifa.

maybe its

Fifa rules . ENG
Fifa rules . PORT

and so on . Wat a crock of shit, he should be sacked for such a stupid comment

I already tried to explain that "different rulez" thing in this thread, and i also explained y that Vassel thing can be considered fault

but, im saying again. theres nothing i can say that will make you all change ur opinions, since we are all biased

EDIT: and its not the slightest touch = free kick, i mean i know football is a game where contact is allowed, but in that keeper's case its not. In most of europe referees are adviced to make their decision like this, mostly to protect players from dangerous moves, which can cause them to hurt themselves

just read thru rest of thread, realised my post had been covered.

But still my point stands so ill leave it in.

Also, thats a load of bollocks on the vassell foul theory. He couldnt jump, the port player jumped first and from behind, which restricted vassell from jumping. But to go from that to a freekick is stunningly bad.

But again thats where european morals on football really do dismay me.

its really quite sickening

as stated in this thread b4, Meier referred the keeper should be protected in his own goal area. Which, in my opinion, should work as a slightly evidence that what im saying can be true. I agree, maybe we should not be playing such a soft footy, but UEFA doesnt mean to arm the english with these things its meant to protect players from getting severe injuries.

EDIT: okay, u might not agree that Vassel commited a fault (no problem with that at all), but im sure u'll agree that going over sum1's body and falling like Andrade did can endanger him. sry for yet another edit

Well, i understand how it can be so frustrating to lose such an important and close game. And I can understand a little bit more now why do you feel cheated and "robbed".

I just dont want, like i felt from some (only some) people, that anyone feels Portugal can only win games due to referee's "biased" decisions. Although the referees did some bad decision like sending off Ovchinnikov against Russia, i do not believe that referees at this tournament are being biased, I believe they do their decision actually with good intentions. Again I say, they are human and "Errare Humanum Est" (I believe this is how its written i dont speak latin thou).
Portugal played well against Spain and against England (probably better against Spain imo), and won their victories with hard work and great motivation and confidence.

Also, i feel that many players dive a lot and I criticised that in the portuguese players, but english players do it as well (like Gerrard and Beckham, just to name some).

The english Premier League is certainly one of the most enjoyable leagues to watch, and i like that there are so less free kicks given than here in Portugal or Spain, but that is not cause we are more violent than english or something, it just that there's a different mentality (imho football might be less appealing like this, and some players do take advantage of the referees' conducts to illude them, but its not like the refs mean to destroy football by doing this). But there again UEFA has no intention into destroying football, it's just that players physical integrity should be protected, they are after all, what makes footy so beautiful.