teh new 1337 boost-trick u just GOTTA use.

Diab · Post by **Diab** » 04-08-2003 19:44

NaB wrote: so u can only pass to ppl on the ground. hmmm

i dunno, but its gonna be hard to get rid of this without a major change in gameplay :\

maybe u should never have taken set jumps out, then we woulndnt be used to it :\

wonder what it would be like with set jumps back :O

either way, if u dont find a good solution this will at best kill the DBL, at worst kill DB itself.

Well have it so the lock is broken when the player is not on the ground and the speed is above sprint speed? should not be too hard of a problem to setup.

Harold|ZBN · Post by **Harold|ZBN** » 04-08-2003 20:05

but this move actually means players are hovering... so they are certainly not gonna go faster then sprint speed

Robotojon · Post by **Robotojon** » 04-08-2003 20:17

rather than y axis, why not just not let it lock on to people travelling faster (x + z axis) than running (well that little extra speed you get from jumping)

Fruitcake · Post by **Fruitcake** » 04-08-2003 20:36

not being able to lock onto flying players would be kinda ghey and ppl would complain about it -_-

DiStUrbeD · Post by **DiStUrbeD** » 04-08-2003 21:22

If the keeper knows what he is doing, its defendable. Most attackers go high with the shot, and just shoot it over thier head. (at least every time i've seen it done, it was done like that)

Simple, the keeper jumps. If the Attacker tries to go low, it will bounce up to the keeper, because of the angle.

Guessing which side he will shoot it to, is just a guessing game, like a 1v1 breakaway.

Also, as a defender, you can just jump in front of the net and hope you catch the ball, i've done that as well my share of times.

Harold|ZBN · Post by **Harold|ZBN** » 04-08-2003 21:32

DiStUrbeD wrote: If the keeper knows what he is doing, its defendable. Most attackers go high with the shot, and just shoot it over thier head. (at least every time i've seen it done, it was done like that)

Simple, the keeper jumps. If the Attacker tries to go low, it will bounce up to the keeper, because of the angle.

Guessing which side he will shoot it to, is just a guessing game, like a 1v1 breakaway.

Also, as a defender, you can just jump in front of the net and hope you catch the ball, i've done that as well my share of times.

erm sorry m8 but ure obviously not a keeper as this is total bull.

if u say the keeper should save it it means i have to activly keep in the direction of the players who are waiting to boost. and that is just the most idiotic thing for a keeper to do. if u dont keep in the direction of the ball any normal shot will go in. and if ure watching the ball carrier u cant get in position fast enough if he passes to some1 hovering 5m above the p zone. i dont know where u got the idea but its uther shite.

also as u say if the ball gets passed its just like a 1v1 break away...... WHICH IS JUST THE FUCKING POINT NOOB. im sorry but im really getting pissed now... DONT U READ WHAT IM SAYING. URE ACTAULLY ADMITTING THAT ANY TEAM THAT JUST GOES ON DOING THIS TRICK AS MUCH AS THEY CAN... ARE... GONNA... SCORE... not because they skilled or anything but just because they keep doing this trick.

Post by **DavidM** » 04-08-2003 21:35

well one way is to prevent that its been done, other way is to make it too weak
(look at wallwhoring, it was not removed, but its just useless now)

DiStUrbeD · Post by **DiStUrbeD** » 04-08-2003 21:57

Harold|ZBN wrote: erm sorry m8 but ure obviously not a keeper as this is total bull.

if u say the keeper should save it it means i have to activly keep in the direction of the players who are waiting to boost. and that is just the most idiotic thing for a keeper to do. if u dont keep in the direction of the ball any normal shot will go in. and if ure watching the ball carrier u cant get in position fast enough if he passes to some1 hovering 5m above the p zone. i dont know where u got the idea but its uther shite.

also as u say if the ball gets passed its just like a 1v1 break away...... WHICH IS JUST THE FUCKING POINT NOOB. im sorry but im really getting pissed now... DONT U READ WHAT IM SAYING. URE ACTAULLY ADMITTING THAT ANY TEAM THAT JUST GOES ON DOING THIS TRICK AS MUCH AS THEY CAN... ARE... GONNA... SCORE... not because they skilled or anything but just because they keep doing this trick.

It is preventable by a keep dumbass, we were practicing this move on our server on trainingcourt, and practicing defending it as well, and we did quite well at it. So dont give me that shit buddy.

Nothing is impossible to defend. As i said a good keeper can defend it. And a good scorer can score it. You can just have any noob hop up there and try to make the shot at that angle, its not that easy.

Also, David, wallwhoring is still possible, and its not useless, i see lots of people doing it all the time.

Post by **DavidM** » 04-08-2003 22:04

ya, but only against crap defenses
you cant do it against any of the top 8 EU defenses

10 attempts end up in one goal, but that way you dont win a single match

DiStUrbeD · Post by **DiStUrbeD** » 04-08-2003 22:59

exactly, you shouldn't accomidate the mod for noobs or else it will get boring fast.

1 dimensional games aren't fun. Let the newbs work to do something, not have it handed to them on a plate.

Axl · Post by **Axl** » 04-08-2003 23:16

DiStUrbeD wrote: Nothing is impossible to defend. As i said a good keeper can defend it. And a good scorer can score it. You can just have any noob hop up there and try to make the shot at that angle, its not that easy.

LOL, Harold is prolly the best keeper there is in the DB Community.. at the end of the day its a cheap move, the more cheap moves there are in DB the more people will leave the DB scene and the quicker DB will die.. DB was fun in the early days when people didnt know all these moves, now as more and more come along look how fast the DB community is vanishing.. I for 1 started in DB cos its was so simple.. quick to pick up and master, there was a couple of really good players, but all in all it was very well matched and good fun.. Now in clan matches, if you dont do cheap lame tactics u get owned, no fun ne more

theberkin8or · Post by **theberkin8or** » 04-08-2003 23:19

one in 10 regular shots on goal get stopped becuase of pbox camping

so you are saying that is useless now? (which is what ns and many others have been saying for a while)

now now dis be nice to harold

Harold don't worry about dis's anger he is just in a bad mood cuz i haven't been around to pwn him in too long (you know i am jk dis

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the biggest problem with this type of goal is not how effective it is, effective doesn't no equal unfair, the problem is that it removes the neccesity of working into space and possitioning... something this game has been going more and more torwards for a long time now.... which is one of the reasons that many feel it is going downhill. The same thing is true of davidm's beloved boosting ( i have yet to figure out why you so stuck on keeping boosting just like it is now). ooo well maybe i should learn to code and make my own mod until then i will just live with what i have.

Post by **DavidM** » 04-08-2003 23:21

boosting is good since 1.7, in 1.6- it was way too powerful, if you dont pay attention now you cant just boost back and stop the enemy, less powerfull, hurray \o

DiStUrbeD · Post by **DiStUrbeD** » 04-08-2003 23:22

Axl wrote: no fun ne more

you said it

All the "anti-trick" things, are going to ruin the game itself, because it will be one dimensional. All you will be able to do is shoot, and keepers will adapt and it will get extremely easy, and very boring.

If defneses were good enough they would be able to stop the trick moves before they were started. But you guys just want it to be removed, but it will end up screwing up the game even more, such as the anti-broomstick.

The mod is about teamwork, it takes teamwork to do the tricks and it takes time and practice to master. Removing it, is promoting ballhogs even more then it is already

EDIT:

DavidM wrote: boosting is good since 1.7, in 1.6- it was way too powerful, if you dont pay attention now you cant just boost back and stop the enemy, less powerfull, hurray \o

He has been unable to play since 1.6...we are going to have to re-train berk when he comes back later this month

Harold|ZBN · Post by **Harold|ZBN** » 04-08-2003 23:33

DiStUrbeD wrote: you said it

erm axl actually says its not fun nemore because of the cheap tricks... u make it look like axl says its not fun anymore because every1 tries to prevent cheap tricks..... which only u are moaning about really