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I have the Chance to Help Armagon with his Reviews, since I think it's a wonderfull thing he does with the community, I think a helping hand would be good for him :p

So here we go:


DB-MidNight
by Twigstir

Shots:
http://www.pcgamemods.com/2096/a/6/
http://www.pcgamemods.com/2096/a/2/
http://www.pcgamemods.com/2096/a/11/

more to be found here:
http://www.pcgamemods.com/2096/a

Download link:
http://www.pcgamemods.com/2096/

The Map

The map looks like an old MiddleAged Arena, with Twigstirs' futuristic Goals (r) I don't even have to say, that the map takes place in a Midnight Fight or sth like that The map reminds me of ClearNight and Peacefull night, and to tell the Truth, these maps are pretty much the same with some changes. But I think If I have to Chosse from this 3, I would Choose MidNight.

The Design

The Design is (as said above) something that reminds me of the MiddelAged castles, or sth like that. The Textures are well used to give us this feeling. The Goal and the Penalty Zones are made a bit futuristic (Twigstir uses this in most of his maps). IMHO these goals don't really fit into the world of the map. There are too many ages between the two. Anyways, the Size of the Map is well done, since it supports 10 ppl very good, althought it has a smaller size than Cube. Now let's talk about the Walls... They are very empty, I should say... too empty. It should have some detail... It would not hurt the FPS, Which I have to tell you, is very good indeed. The Lighting is a bit... arm... irreal. It should Be midnight, But something gives us somuch light, that it just can't be midnight! There should have been less Global light, and more small lights (fire etc.) So this is a bit bad in the map. The Skybox looks a bit interesting. With 2 Marses in it, And they are soo big that Actually it would be impossible, but that's me again, that fraggin book I usually read and it about Stars and planets ... but lets get back. I would prefer a smaller white moon in the sky. And just one moon.

The Gameplay

The FPS in the game is good, but I already told u that. The walls make the map an ideal place for volley Whores, althought the ball has a good chance to get reseted. Beside each goal, there are no Corners actually. The Same shape is used, Just Like In DB-Avenir, another good map. This effects the Gameplay dramatically and adds a new type of strategy (and a new hope for SelfVolleyEgos )

The Mappers Atention

The Mapper could have set on the map a bit more to make it look prettier, but I think this isnt bad. The only thing I am really sad about is the lights, and the Skybox... More working and waiting for more feedbacks, could have made the mapper to fix these problems. Anyways, these stuff don't effect The gameplay which are imho good. Because the Gameplay is fluent, and good.

Overall Points

The Design: 10/6
The Gameplay: 10/7
The Originality: 10/8
The Mapers Atention: 10/7
The Overall: 10/7

The Over-Overall

This map has a good gameplay, which I think is very usefull after all those Cubeclones. imho with this map, the community has won something, sth good. I personally admit this map to all those who give a chance to other, Fan-Made maps, and I admit this to everyone else... It's worth to download!

Thx, Mayer.hun

It seems you do not agree with my Review, just because I wasn't singing Operas about it...

First of all... Moons don't give soo much light... I understand U like to have sources, but It's impossible to get soomuch light from one moon...

I didnt say it has the same shape as avenir.... the "corners " beside the Goals are similar...

Plz Don't talk about "Unique" Layout, since it hasn't got any drastical changes... I would just say: It has an Improved layout, that gives another type of gameplay...

Add trees then... U know u can make a world detail option? (Normal-High-Highest?) I told u that in another thread...

I have waited about 3 days just to get one feedback on my map, And it was worth, because it gave me some good ideas, and pointed me on the fails of my map


I Don't want a lot of stuff on the walls... Just some detail... Look at DB-Temples upper walls... it is well done with some detail, althought it lacks of variety, but that is sth, and that is really good imho. Windows. Pillars, Anything... just not a simple Texture...

I never said your map is bad anyways If u don't like the review... your problem... Maybe I review a bit like an "angry lawyer", But I said, your map good, and I didn't tell ppl to stopdownloading because it is shit... since it would have been a lie....

Listen (or read... no matters)

I don't understand why the hell are u arguing with me.

What's the difference between unreal and Impossible? It is an Unreal Game I know, But I told U that Moons don't give so much light, and I must say... It doesnt have a Midnight feeling, because I don't see the darkness of a night at all...

Did I say the map is an Improved map??? (it has an improved gameplay...) No... read, and think. It is not Unique.... unieque ideas are like DB-Hole, or DB-U, (or your DB-Hex) now those are unique... not Cubeclones. But this one, hasn't got that unique style for which I should say, it is Uniqie. No... I can't say it a Cube clone... But if u want to be honest... this map is not far from being a Cubeclone...

I look at the forums, don't worry... I just don't udnerstand Why u make threads then If u don't wait for feedbacks? U should just make a thread called: Twigstirs maps, and all you maps and their links should be posted there.

Tell me what VGA u got, and I will understand you if u have a bad one. I had to play for a Long Time and I had to map for a long time with a TNT2 card (for UT1... but I played other newer games on it) But, since I got a Gef3 ti, I don't really have FPS problems (kthx god) althought there are some maps that suckage on my pc... Then Don't make trees, if they make FPS to fall... make a tower, and a smaller wall or a caslte outside... would be cool, and it would not hurt the FPS at all

Lighting... I think u understood what I wanted to say... I wasnt talking about the contrasts etc.

Wall detail... how many times Do I have to tell u that... I think u could just use your imagination a bit... But lets see... look at DB-Altract Beta... Do u see the walls? They arent really empty. They have detail, and Altract has a better FPS then your map on my pc... mybe because it has no Skybox... or because it is smaller. But its walls and lights are good and well done.

"You supplied no details or suggestions with you comments." This is a Final version, and U are the mapper... it's not me who has to use his imagination... no my friend, its the mapper himself... u now what I am talking aboit just use your imagination a bit...

Believe me, I don't fight against u. I told my oppinion as a mapper. The Review tells this. It tells how the map looks like. I told the ppl to download it because it's worth, and it is a good map. I don't understand Why u are arguing with me. And believe me... a little more detail would not make it worse

Mayer a DB map shouldn't be very dark, and I doubt many people care if the light sources are realistic. This is exactly why I chose to limit my fields so much when I review a map. These fields are graphics and gameplay. If it looks nice and runs decently, it will get a good graphics score. If it plays well and proves to be fun, it will get a good gameplay score. I think you two shouldn't be arguing over such petty things. Remember that in the end, it's about what the public wants.

You are right... I was a bit too "DavidM" when I was reviewing... sry Twigstir if I brocked your heart... Didn't wanted to do that... and I didn't wanted to argue with u anyways...

What happened to twigstirs comments? Here was one new, but I just can't see it right now? He wrote not very good things I just wanted to omment, but now they are all gone???? WTF?

Hehehehe, I did start to wonder who you were talking to