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Manufacturing jobs were even declinning during clinton. They have been going down for years.

Twigstir wrote: gg - the US economy and general public are far worse off and headed even lower. The spin doctors and people's own stupidity just convinced them otherwise. Most ameicans still think they got a tax break and saved money. It wasn't even possible but people still bought it.

This is a rare case of intelligent American. Exactly like Michael Moore....
Unfortunately the most are ignorant as my grand grand grand grandmother

Weisso wrote: the manufacturing sector is +62,000 jobs for the year. granted, it could be much better, but it's a start. the "large scale" losses were over more then a year ago when the recession ended

For the year hmm? How about over the last four years?

Rino wrote: This is a rare case of intelligent American. Exactly like Michael Moore....
Unfortunately the most are ignorant as my grand grand grand grandmother

You're just showing your own ignorance here.

I love when rino opens his mouth. It's just too damn funny.

So do the Bush supporters actually really admire him or are they supporting him because of the Republican ideals?

If you are simply a republican and believe in their issues that is fine by me but if you're running around touting Bush as a great man we should look up to, that just blows me away. I watch him for 2 minutes and im already uncomfortable.

It's great if you don't like him. It's great if you disagree. But when that turns to hate, that's where I have a problem. Same thing goes for you Euros on America. Hating gets you nowhere.

Spewing garbage like "Bush made the Bin Laden tape" and "Bush is Hitler" and "Bush is the real terrorist" makes many Americans want to vote for him even more.

It's true FOOMAN

Where is the difference between a terrorist who killed ppl in 9\11, and more than 20000 civilians killed in iraq , most women and child, by ur ownage intelligent bombs???

And hey... what a coincidence... 2 days before election Bin Laden appears on TV threatening America... Amazing...

BTW Twigstir explained better than me the real politic situation...
You can keep believing their lies...

The one i'm not showing my ignorance, just looking at the real world... try to go in USA and u will see their total lack of culture and history.
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Rino wrote: The one i'm not showing my ignorance, just looking at the real world... try to go in USA and u will see their total lack of culture and history.
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It's hardly a total lack and I fail to see the relevance to this discussion (I use the term loosely ).

Was just asking if you admire Bush and think he truly is a great man or if you are supporting him more because of the Republican issues? I don't think there was much hate in that question.

I'm just curious because if most people in our country are simply voting for him because they either agree with the republican issues or disagree strongly with some liberal issues, that's fine. Well dissapointining to me personally, but still fine. What would scare me a lot more is if people actually buy into Bush and think he is a great leader for our country. Then i start thinking WTF is our country made of, and i start questioning my national pride because well it's a little embarassing.

(Ok i have some hate for bush but i still want to know the answer)

Many Americans vote Republican or Democratic based on one key issue. Example abortion.

Many Americans vote Republican or Democratic based on labels and/or spin. Example Democrat = tax and spend

Many Americans vote Republican or Democratic based on TV adds.

A lot of american politics and issues are he said she said stuff. No real facts.

Orb, my last post wasn't really directed at you, more directed at the haters.

I vote my conscience(sp). I vote for the candidate that agrees mostly with my ideas and I think that's the way most Americans vote. If I don't know enough about the candidates themselves I would be inclined to vote on political party because I know what the parties stand for and thier candidate is likely to share those ideas.

bush is an infidel

Aren't we all?

My roommate last year thought Bush was the greatest president ever.

Fooman wrote:
I vote my conscience(sp). I vote for the candidate that agrees mostly with my ideas and I think that's the way most Americans vote. If I don't know enough about the candidates themselves I would be inclined to vote on political party because I know what the parties stand for and thier candidate is likely to share those ideas.

The problem is, most people in American get those ideas based on spin/labels and general bull. Most people's ideas are from shallow thought. Negitive labels rule in american politics because the public doesn't think.

Polls show most Americans don't know where their canidate stands on many issues. They often can only remember the key punch lines.